Body language experts tell Dr. Phil ABC News that debate moderators were hostile to Trump: ‘Big eight’

Body language experts told Dr. Phil on Tuesday after the presidential debate that ABC News moderators clearly favored Vice President Kamala Harris.

Dr. Phil spoke to experts Scott Rouse and Greg Hartley in a special broadcast following the town hall debate.

Rouse holds multiple certifications in advanced interrogation training and has trained with the FBI, Secret Service, US Military Intelligence, and the Department of Defense.

Hartley is a former Army investigator with expertise in intelligence, business, body language and behavior.

When asked if they saw bias from moderators David Muir and Linsey Davis in Tuesday’s debate, Hartley said they were against former President Trump.

“Let’s just look at the body language, look at the facial expressions of people when they look at Trump. There was clearly an anti-Trump bias in their faces,” he said.

Meanwhile, of Harris, he said: “There’s a bit of a tip in the scales when you ask a person two questions in a row as a lead question, and it’s a softball question that strikes me as bias. I’d challenge them to tell me why this isn’t biased if I were in his situation.”

Rouse argued that a key aspect of the debate was that moderators were willing to interrupt Trump.

“At the same time, we’re looking at the commentators, they would be talking at the same time when President Trump was there. So while he’s trying to finish his answer, they’d hold — they’d not only answer, but they’d keep talking as well,” he said.

Rouse then used his expertise as a Grammy-nominated music producer to suggest a major shift in how the network handled Trump vs. Harris.

“And you may say, I believe, if I am right here, the volume of [Trump’s] the mic might have been a little bit ‘hotter’ than everyone else’s,” Rouse said. “That’s why he sounded so loud. He was speaking loudly, but I think you’ll hear that when you listen back – that’s my opinion.”

He added, “So whether that was on purpose to make it sound more aggressive, I don’t know. But he was very loud there.”

Dr. Phil then read the questions asked of Harris and Trump, noting: “In every one of these questions about Trump, there were fact-checking questions and follow-up questions. And I didn’t hear that about Harris.”

“Me neither,” said Hartley. “And there is a way to ask a question. I’ve been interrogating people for a long time. And while you’re at it, want to check out ‘how do I pop the question?’ Why didn’t you say, ‘Why haven’t you done anything about the border compared to Trump?’

“There is often a more negative tone to Trump,” he added. “Look, at the end of the day, it’s about finding out what they think and giving everyone a chance to understand it. And I thought it was a little heavy at times, just my opinion.”

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